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This topic originally started as a question about connecting the children's sermon to the Sunday School lesson. It has since expanded into some conversation about children in worship and children's sermons.

This post also has copies of Neil MacQueen's Guides to Better Children's Sermons. For more posts about children's sermons go to More Children's Ministry and Sunday School Topics for Leaders here at Rotation.org.


Hi Rotation.org friends,

Our pastors are asking for guidance about "what stories to teach in the children's sermons" now that our Sunday School focuses on the same story for several weeks in a row. In the past, their children's sermons matched the adult sermon and Sunday School lessons all of which followed the lectionary.

Thanks for your responses and ideas,
Sara

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We have been on rotation for nearly 7 years now and it's been a tremendous success.

1. We tie the children's sermon to the workshop lessons at least once a month and whenever else it's possible.

Most Bible stories are certainly good for more than one children's sermon!

After doing one or two children's sermon a month on the story we are teaching in our Rotation Sunday School, we tell our pastor to feel free to do children's sermons about THEIR sermon, or any of the other readings they are using in worship.

As well, we have given them a list of the stories we are NOT covering in Sunday School at all or this year, so that those stories can get covered in children's sermons if needed.  For example, we don't do a four week Rotation on "David and Jonathan" but it's a good story for a children's sermon about friendship.

2. We have also suggested the pastor do some teaching about worship.

What is Communion, Baptism, why we sing hymns, etiquette, special words, candles, sermons, praying, etc etc.


These two things accomplish several important things:

1) It gives the pastor an opportunity to feel connected to our Sunday School and contribute to our rotation content!

2) It showcases that the children are learning (which makes the congregation see the value of our model).

3) By talking about our rotation lesson in worship, it reinforces and validates the importance of our lesson content in an important context.

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Re: Children in Worship

Children belong in worship, need to know how to worship and practice it, and need the benefits of worship, otherwise, why are we teaching them the Bible?

Separate and more "entertaining" children's worship creates an expectation of worship that will backfire once children grow older and have to attend "adult" worship. They will find it so different and boring that they just want to leave it. How do I know? Look at the last 30 years of statistics.

Instead, "adult" worship needs to become "everyone's" worship, instead of just for the sake of older people's comfort level or "tradition." Jesus wouldn't recognize our traditional styles of worship. There's nothing inherently sacred about "style" or order.

Was not the Sabbath made for man, and not the other way around?

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We don't usually try to tie Sunday School into worship unless there is a natural connection. Instead, we frequently use children's sermon time as worship and "about church" education time.

 

Just recently we used the Worship Banner Kit from Phyllis Wezeman & Anna Leichty - that was 12 weeks worth of children's sermons!

 

We do use the lectionary in worship, so sometimes I look to Carolyn Brown's books called "Forbid them Not" for ideas of how to make the themes of the worship service child-friendly.

From time to time the lectionary reading is about one of the stories we have ALREADY COVERED in a previous Rotation. That means I can ask them questions about the lectionary scripture, and it shows off that the rotation model is really working - when two years after studying the story in Sunday School, a child can accurately respond to questions about the story in worship!

 

 

Kim

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I sit down with a couple of the pastors in our church and look at what are some of the important stories and subjects that are most appropriate for a Children's Sermon.

 

Not every story or topic is best in Sunday School, and not every story or topic is great for a children's sermon. 

 

For example:  teaching about worship and prayer are great to do in worship. But teaching about involved stories, like Exodus, are best left to teachers in rotation.

 

 

Hope this is of some help.
Best wishes to you in your ministry,
Eliana

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Being the Associate for Christian Education, I preach once a month. Often on these Sundays I try to tie the WoRM lesson into the sermon and into the children's sermon. But, for the most part our children's messages are based on the day's worship Scriputre reading and we try to tie the children's message in with the "Adult" message.

Whether you use the lectionary for children's sermons or not...

 

In my opinion, the Children's Sermon in worship is something that so many churches mis-use, -turning it into an opportunity to speak to the adults, and using the kids as props.

 

I think this happens more often when the pastor didn't prepare.

 

If it really is FOR the children, then the selection of scripture needs to ALSO be FOR THEM. This means that many lectionary texts simply are not appropriate.

 

When we do the Children's Sermon here, it usually connects to something happening in worship or a specific theme of the church season. ie... very tangible for the kids.

Jan S

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Children in Worship

In this 2021 "Established Church" podcast, Pastor Sam Rainer and Children's Pastor Jenny Smith discuss alterations to the ORDER of Worship and "splitting" the sermon in two to accommodate the needs of children in worship and everyone who needs a break from a long sermon or gets wiggly by the second half of traditional worship. (They found that adults needed it too).

https://churchanswers.com/podc...y-involved-in-church

If you can't listen to the whole thing, start around the 7 minute mark.

In short:

  • They moved the sermon toward the front of worship, split it in two with a "family minute" (children's sermon) in between, then finished the sermon and spend the second half of worship is more active participation (prayer, singing, etc.)
  • The kids get a lesson prior to worship about what the sermon is going to be about. They stopped holding separate children's worship in favor of having kids worship with their families. This was something they experimented early in the pandemic and decided to keep once they were fully back in-person.
  • The Sunday School creates lessons based on the subject of the sermon, which in this particular church tend to run in several week themes.
  • You have to get your sermon outline/notes done early in the week to give to the educators.
  • They asked families if this was a "pandemic-time only thing" and families responded, "we love it, keep it."
  • This isn't just about accommodating kids in worship but recognizing they are part of our congregation whose needs should be addressed. "It's not about us."

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Here are two articles about "Better Children's Sermons" that I originally wrote for Church Communication Resources magazine (now defunct) and used to teach at local training events. I've updated them a couple of times over at my software website and decided to archive them here at rotation.org. I hope you find them helpful.

Better Children’s Sermons

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7 Tips for Better Children's Sermons

Two articles by (Rev.) Neil MacQueen

Better Children's Sermons

Heard any good children’s sermons lately?  Me either.

We’ve been attending a new church and of the five different staff people we’ve heard deliver the children's sermon, only the retired youth minister did a good one (personable, simple, fun, on point). The children's sermons from the pastors, the current youth director, and the new Christian educator made me wince.

I do a couple of things pretty well, and one of them is children’s sermons. I didn’t start out doing them well. Instead, I learned and had some great examples to follow over the years. It isn’t hard to do good children’s sermons if your heart is in it, you take the time to prepare, you know how to relate to children, and you know what not to do.  Part of the problem is that there is no training for delivering children's sermons, and church staff rarely if ever get good feedback or pointers on how to improve from people who do children's sermons. I hope this article helps fill some of that need.

Children’s Sermons Problems that I Regularly See

  1. boredConcepts and Vocab over the kids’ heads.  (Avg age of the kids in front of you is 5, not 12).
  2. Fuzzy main point often delivered at the very end, or worse –during the “summary” prayer.
  3. Moralistic rather than Biblical.  (Faith is more than “be good.”)
  4. Too long and convoluted. (Need to K.I.S.S.)
  5. Boring or poorly selected props. (a rock is a poor metaphor for God to use with children no matter how many scriptures use it).
  6. Not interactive. (Kids sit, pastor asks question, adults laugh at answer, pastor provides answer.)
  7. The leader's bland, unenergetic delivery. (Videotape can help them realize this.)

Update: And now I’ve seen a bunch of them delivered “online” during the COVID pandemic. Seen quite a few where the children's sermon deliverer sits by themselves on the Chancel steps and "reads" their comments while trying to look at the camera too.

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Kidding aside, most online children's sermons feature a "talking head." In one church I used to attend, during their online services (due to COVID) the pastor sat alone on the chancel steps with a microphone while the camera showed the great emptiness around them. A better option is to create a "demonstration" with props at a table and roll that onscreen for the children's sermon, or pre-tape it, etc.

Why Poor Children's Sermons Persist

  • Many pastors think up their Children’s Sermons on Sunday morning, and it shows.
  • Many pastors are playing to the adults, or have forgotten how to talk to young children.
  • Many non-pastors are often too nervous and forget what and how they were going to say something. They get tongue-tied.
  • Most church members have low standards for Children’s Sermons, and thus, they don’t offer constructive feedback.
  • Many children’s sermoners act like a “rock” instead of a rock star in front of kids (and adults).
  • Most pastors rarely see other pastor's children's sermons, let alone get training. They have nothing to compare theirs to except maybe someone on staff.


Summary of  Solutions

jesus1. Be “Children first,” and “sermon” second. Embody the embrace and spirit of God.

2. Use developmentally appropriate language and illustrations

3. Keep it Simple and Short.

4. Tell stories

5. Use props to illustrate your point. Keep metaphors simple.

6. Make sure your content is God-centered

7. Don’t be a slave to the adult scripture reading. Kids often have different subject needs.

8. Have fun and be a kid yourself. You don't have to always be serious with kids to talk about serious things.

9. Get or ask for training. Browse YouTube to see how other pastors are delivering children's sermons (good and bad)

10. Videotape and review your church's children's sermons. Make them part of your staff discussion. Talk to teachers who have a great presence with children

Some pastors and members think Children’s Sermons are out of date.

They couldn’t be any more wrong.

  • (Good) Children’s sermons are an enormous opportunity to help children (and their parents) feel welcome in worship.
  • (Good) Children’s sermons are a tremendous opportunity for visitors and members to enjoy the pastor’s away-from-the-pulpit personality and sense of self.
  • (Good) Children’s sermons are an important opportunity to share the Gospel with children who won’t be going to Sunday School.
  • (Good) Children’s sermons build the pastor’s credibility and reputation among the adults and parents. (Poor ones make you look out of touch.)
  • Jesus welcomed children and said their wide-eyed, child-like quality was the gold-standard in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 19:14). Your participation with them in worship is not only a blessing with lifelong consequences for them, -but can be a blessing to your spiritual journey and that of your members’.


Confession: I wish I could go back and tell “young pastor Neil” all this. It took me a few years to “get it”, and when I did, my children’s sermons started shining. I also wish I could hand this article to every pastor I’ve worked with!



7 Tips for Better Children's Sermons

This second article has some more specific helps. It was originally published over at my software website after I presented it at a training day event in my Presbytery some years ago.

1. “Children First”

waitingWhen you invite the children, focus on THEM and make them feel invited!

  • Make eye-contact, and greet them as they arrive. (It bothers me to see some pastors ignore the kids as they arrive.)
  • Wait for the late-arrivers. Don’t be in a hurry.
  • Interact with individuals as they arrive, saying things like “I like your shirt”, etc.

In other words, “welcome the children.” This will help YOU settle down too.

Share something about yourself. And smile! Some children have a fear of being in front of others, especially when there’s an unfamiliar adult up there.

If you are the pastor or large/older adult, be aware of how some children may perceive you based on your appearance. A parent once told me that her daughter was scared of “the man in the black robe”… which just happened to be me. Funny thing was, she was the playmate of one of my kids and knew me well outside of worship. But that black robe scared her.  I solved the problem by paying attention to those who seemed a little bit intimidated about coming up front, and immediately involving them. With young children, this can be as simple as letting them hold your prop.

Take time to ask questions, and deal tenderly with their responses. For example, when asking a question to which a child has eagerly raised their hand but not gotten the ‘right’ answer, don’t just say, “no” and move on to the next hand. Take a moment to affirm the child. After the children’s sermon is over, give out a few high-fives, and make a point to acknowledge the kids in the cookie line after church.

2. Be Developmentally Appropriate

hearIf any of your words have more than 3 syllables, then your words probably won’t be understood. If you’re not good at speaking to children at their level, write out your children’s sermon -then simplify your vocabulary, grammar, and concepts in writing. Many church words are tough for children mostly because they are new and have little experience to understand them. When you use words like “grace,” take a moment to define it.

Avoid developmentally inappropriate comparisons, such as, “God is like a rock” unless you’re going to take the time to really explain the metaphor. If you don’t, then that rock will just be a rock and they’ll wonder “how heavy and hard is God.”

A lot of wasted time and opportunity has been disguised as OVERLY-clever object-lessons and demonstrations. Some demonstrations are too elaborate or off-point, and end up being really fun distractions. Using a magic trick to make a coin disappear and then saying to a child that, “God makes sin disappear too” –is a fun demonstration that your youngest kids will not fully understand. And does God make sin disappear? Pretty high concept for a 2nd grader. AGAIN… if you are going to “go there” then please spend some TIME there! Many pastors just do things and blow by the meaning.

One church where I worshiped had a “children’s song” projected on the wall for the kids after the children’s sermon. Problem was, half the kids couldn’t read the words. Duh.

PS:  Keep your closing prayer developmentally appropriate too. I.E. Drop the Holy Joe vocab.

3. Keep it Simple

Many pastors I’ve seen doing children’s sermons don’t know when to shut up. The more they pile on, the less the kids are likely to remember, and the greater the likelihood the pastor will wander around the subject.  Practice this discipline: write out your children’s sermon and then summarize it in one sentence. (I knew a pastor who was so afraid of forgetting his summary sentence that he taped it to the top inside of the paper bag he always brought with him to hold his props. His name was me.)

If you can’t summarize your children’s sermon in 10 seconds or 20 words, then you probably can’t get it right in 3 minutes either.

The corollary of Keep It Simple is: Take your Time and Don’t Rush.

4. Tell stories.sit

…and stories about YOURSELF are always welcome!

If you want to describe faith or forgiveness, tell a story about it. Stories stick in the brain and the story can continue to teach its meaning after you’re gone. And practically speaking, storytelling grabs their attention quicker, keeps it longer, and stories keep you from groping for what to say next. See #6 and 7 for more about this.

Make sure your stories are kid-friendly. Instead of a story about a man who went to work with his briefcase, tell a story about a boy who went to school with his bookbag. Note: you can make up your own stories! But… if the day’s scripture has a story in it, re-tell it, and by all means USE PROPS.

Note: Remember to have a POINT. So many times you hear a volunteer or pastor tell a story and botch the point of the story. Write it own concisely in kid-friendly concepts and vocabulary. Take it out and read it if you have to. It’s that important.

5. Use props.

Props are not only FUN, they FOCUS attention and create anticipation. Their eyes will even track the prop as you move it. Props also put the storyteller at ease too. But remember, a rock is just a rock to a 5 year old. They can’t quite understand that it is “the weight of sin weighing us down”  unless you SLOW DOWN and take the time to explain it (which few pastors do).

Prop Suggestions:
If you’re telling a story about when you were a little boy, bring a ballcap and toy. Involve the kids in your story by assigning roles and distributing props. For example, if you’re telling the story of the man let down through the roof, have one of the kids lay down on a blanket and put a bandage around their leg. Assign someone to be Jesus. And when it gets time to “lower” the man through the roof, you grab the blanket by the boy’s head (for safety) and let the kids grab the rest of the blanket and drag him a few feet towards Jesus. If you are telling the story of Moses talking to God on Mt. Sinai, throw a GIANT robe over the smallest girl and have her be Moses. If you’re telling the story of the disciples in the boat, have your oldest child lay down on a pillow you brought (and tell them not to wake up until you specifically ask them to) and during the story cue all the kids to shout “wake up Jesus.” And when it comes time for the waves to crash over the boat, don’t forget to sprinkle a little bit of water out of the squirt bottle you’ve secretly brought.

The secret to many successful storytellers and children’s sermon presenters is their props. Over the months and years, I would vary my delivery. But often I would bring a big brown bag that had story props in it. What I learned was that the kids eagerly awaited what I had in the bag. It focused their attention. And the props helped them remember my lesson.

Pass your props around! One Sunday, I retold the story of Jesus and the 10 Lepers pulling 10 Barbie Dolls out of my brown bag (Ken was Jesus, of course). I made several of the boys hold them– much to the giggles and grimaces of the children. Years later in a Confirmation class, one of my students said it was one of his favorite Bible stories because of that children’s sermon. Props help us remember.

Speaking of props…. YOU are a prop. Your body is a focal point. Don’t stand or sit there stiff. Be animated. Especially with younger children (but also with all of us) our focus naturally goes to whatever moves. It’s a great way to keep their attention, especially when you’re trying to make your point. Props focus them. Your hands and facial expressions and where you move to will focus them too.

6. Make sure your content is God-centered

We’re not there to teach kids to “play nice and help others.” We’re there to teach them how to be like Christ, who played nice and helped others.

Ask this question about your children’s sermon: what is the Gospel in it? …what is the good news about God in it? In my listening experience, the GOD-POINT is one of the things pastors and volunteers MOST OFTEN leave out, or leave for the last moment of their children’s sermon, or express in the most confusing way. It happens because they run out of time, or didn’t think of the ‘point’ ahead of time.

One of the ways I’ve “cured” myself of this teaching faux pas is to tell the kids the God-Point FIRST, right at the beginning of my children’s sermon or Sunday School lesson (try it, it works!) and then again at the conclusion (and often several times in-between!).

The best way to make SURE that you’re God-centered is to always base your children sermon on a scripture that you want to share, –even if it isn’t the same scripture the adults will be learning. The discipline of always basing your children’s sermon on one of the day’s Bible passages will also take the guesswork out of planning “what to teach” and help you avoid children’s sermons like “God is like this coat hanger which I just grabbed from the back of the church because I didn’t have plan of what I was going to say.”

7. Don’t be a slave to the adult scripture reading

Focusing on “today’s story” is a great way to stay biblical and not just grab for anything. But there are many times and subjects that are appropriate for the pastor to teach the children which do not match the adults’ scripture reading.

“Other” Children’s Sermon subjects include:

-Communion
-Mission
-Baptism
-Caring for friends
-Honoring your mom and dad
-Telling the Truth
-A current event in the community everyone is aware of
-Something special going on in the congregation
-What the candles are for? Whose table is this? Who is welcome up here?

And let’s be honest, NOT all scripture is suitable for children. If your adult sermon is about Lamentations, you may want to simplify it for the kids, or substitute any story.

MISC THOUGHTS:

Sit or Stand?

The answer depends on what you’re doing in your children’s sermon. Sometimes I stand and then sit. Sometimes I sit, then get up to do something. Standing and moving helps those who need something to track, but I can also get their attention sitting down if I have a prop and move while sitting. The other answer is this: you don’t stand just so the adults can see you. “Children first,” remember?

Microphone?

Handheld microphones are a crutch that get in the way of children’s sermons, and never belong in a child’s face. invest in a headset or lapel mike, and make it a habit to repeat what the children say.

Is the Children’s Sermon for the Adults Too?

Yes…actually IT IS FOR THEM TOO !  ….but only if you do it well enough to be good for both audiences. Many adults, me included, will judge you poorly if you shoot the message over the kids’ heads in an obvious attempt to speak to the adults. The best messages are ones you “overhear” …and then suddenly realize the speaker is speaking to you as well.

At what age should they stop coming forward?

Time was when ALL the elementary age children came forward, and even some young teens. In the past decade, however, I’ve noticed the average age getting younger and younger. This has a lot to do with who your kids are and your church demographics, but it may also be a reflection of the “age” of your children’s sermons. Some pastors aim young, and that sends a signal to the older kids.

Ideally, I think kids will naturally start to stay in the pew around age 11. If an older child reluctantly comes forward, give them some special roles.

Neil MacQueen is a Presbyterian minister, veteran of “the steps upfront,” children and youth ministry pastor, writer and consultant, developer of interactive Bible software for children and youth, and writer of creative curriculum for Rotation.org.

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Two Examples of Good Children's Sermons
One That Had Promise
...and one that's painful to watch

YouTube is full of children's sermons, some good, most "ok" and quite a few that are awful. Viewing a bunch is a good way to see "what works" and what doesn't.

This first one features an engaging pastor at a Lutheran Church in Iowa. It is personable, welcoming, acknowledging, humorous, inviting, demonstrable and uses props. Notice how he asks the kids to repeat key things. Notice how the kids group around him so they can see him.

This next one features Pastor Tesch of Trinity Lutheran in Wisconsin delivering a warm and simple children's sermon that invites kids to respond and has a simple but meaningful point. Notice how the kids are grouped around him rather than strung out along the steps.

This third example from a United Methodist Church shows something important and something problematic. Important: Notice how disinterested and wiggly the kids are until the pastor pulls out the salt shaker at about 33 seconds in.Their heads snap to him.

Unfortunately, his Bible verse, “let your speech be seasoned with salt"  meanders and fumbles.  He also missed a key activity that would have made this much better: let the kids taste the SALT and other condiments, and give examples of what "salted speech" would sound like!

His children's sermon also suffers from the problem of kids being strung out across the top steps, instead of grouped like you see in the two previous examples. Notice the posture of the two kids at the ENDS (circled).

One of the biggest problems of sitting kids on the steps is that they are looking out at the congregation rather than the children's sermon leader. It’s too easy to get distracted and feel self conscious.

This last one is painful to watch. I'm sure the pastor is a great guy, but it lacks good content and lacks attention focusing props (in a story full of them). The children's reactions tell you what they think.

Tip: If your prop is something from an adult's life and not the kids (like a cellphone, which is the only prop he used), consider not using it and come up with something better.  The story has three props in it!  —> Gold, frankincense, and myrrh. This would have been a perfect opportunity to bring in examples of all three, burn some incense, anoint them with good-smelling myrrh, etc. And maybe talk about how WE - our faith and gifts are the treasures God wants us to give Jesus. (You could make a forth Magi Gift: a box with a mirror that the kids can peer into to see the gift God wants.)

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